Imbunatatiri Logan 2

[bogdan_cr]

Daca se mentine " buna " traditie a firmei Reno, de a utiliza si la modele mai noi piese proiecate pentru modele mai vechi, ne uitam in niste VISU de Reno...
Sa vedem ce gasim...

De exemplu, la Laguma II X74, gasim... componenta 851, unitate control electronic presiune pneuri, care sa vezi chestie, primeste prin radiofrecventa semnal de la valvele speciale montate pe roti si daca sesizeaza o presiune micsorata intr-un pneu trimite spre UCH semnal pentru ca UCH sa trimita mai departe prin CAN spre tabloul de bord comanda de aprindere LED presiune mica pneu.
Cum transmit valvele semnal RF spre unitatea de control presiune pneuri ? Au valvele baterie in ele ? Nu, transmit semnalul la fel cum trimite cheia semnalul de autorizare a pornirii motorului prin bobina dinprejurul contactului cu cheie.
Asa au facut la Laguna II de prin 2006, poate la Logan II au facut altfel, o metoda mai simpla si mai ieftina, nu asa greoi si scump cu ecu de control si valve RF.

[t0rquemada]

Sunt 4 valve cu detectie presiune la aproape 30e ,4 "senzori"cititori RFID (4) aprox 50e + unitatea ta minune + cablaj -->> prea scump pentru Dacia

[bogdan_cr]

Sint de acord ca se va adopta solutia cea mai ieftina, de aceea am presupus ca se va monta o varianta cu tehnologie existenta, deja fiabilizata pe un model Reno de anii trecuti.

Dar daca e norma europeana obligatorie se va pune si pe Dacia, ca vrem sau nu.

Bine macar ca nu au valvele baterie in interior, asta mai lipsea sa schimbam bateriile in valve daca trecem prin vreo baltoaca sau ceva ...le citeste radio, tot un progres..

[t0rquemada]

Asta cu normele europene pica, cam toate modele Dacia fiind omologate in Franta, inainte de 2013: vezi DRL, ESP-ASR standard (Lodgy,Dokker,Duster ph1)

[stoicanu]

Si CL-ul din curte are acelas sistem pe senzorii de ABS.
In schimb S-ul 350 are senzori pe fiecare roata.
Diferentza este ca cea cu senzori pe roata iti spune ce presiune are fiecare roata in parte.
Celalta varianta iti spune ca ai o roata mai moale dar nu iti spune care.

[t0rquemada]

European legislation on TPMS imminent

It's the most topical and important issue currently under consideration within the automotive industry: TPMS (Tyre Pressure Monitoring System). New EU legislation will require all new-type passenger vehicles to have TPMS installed as of 1st November, and Tech Europe has developed a complete TPMS programme to satisfy all demands.

Some facts on EU TPMS legislation:

As of 1st November 2012, all new-type vehicles will be required by EU law to have a pressure based tyre pressure monitoring system installed. This applies to the road wheels, not the spare

By November 2014, all new passenger vehicles will have to have TPMS installed by the manufacturer

The law is not currently retrospective, and does not apply to older vehicles

This law applies to passenger vehicles only, with no more than 7 seats

Many car manufacturers have already introduced TPMS to their vehicles ahead of the 2012 legislation change

Renault, Peugeot, and Citroen have fitted TPMS to some models since 2003/4

More and more cars now have TPMS already fitted. Showrooms are full of TPMS-compliant cars

TPMS is now part of the annual vehicle test, and applies to all newly registered cars from January 1st 2012. This means that a car with a faulty TPMS will fail the vehicle test from January 2015

Until 2015, a faulty TPMS will only be an advisory and be listed on the testing certificate (UK). Different European countries may interpret the EU legislation differently. So please refer to your own European country legislation

There are hundreds of thousands of cars on European roads with sensors removed. The cost of replacement is high, circa €40.00 to €80.00 for the sensor, and €65.00 for updating the ECU where required. Rubber tyre valves are used to replace the sensor and the warning light disabled, however this practice will be prohibited on new-type 2012 cars. Insurance implications will be the same as for disabling an airbag or ABS. Disabling a safety system on a vehicle may become an offence



Along with the implications of this new EU legislation, TPMS will also offer environmental benefits and increased safety, helping to optimise fuel consumption and reduce tyre wear.

In preparation for this new EU legislation, and with an awareness of the benefits to the end-user, Tech Europe has put together a complete TPMS solution for its distributors. Via the TPMS tile on the homepage, customers have access to a comprehensive programme of sensors, valves, service kits, workshop and diagnostic tools, available to purchase directly through the site. The consumer can easily choose the type of car, model, and year of manufacture from a simple drop-down menu, and is presented with the appropriate product, in most cases, either of OE specification or an aftermarket alternative.

Tech Europe is delighted to be offering this kind of instant, easy-to-navigate, cost-effective service, and the website functionality, along with a comprehensive help section, certainly affords all current Tech Europe customers a huge advantage when it comes to TPMS.

[M.FLORIN]

Deci sa intelegem ca se poate monta/activa si la noi TMPS?

[bogdan_cr]

O sa poti instala la tine pe masina sistemul ce va fi instalat obligatoriu la masinile Dacia noi incepind din noiembrie 2014.
Pentru masinile aflate deja in circulatie nu este obligatoriu a fi instalat.
Pentru toate masinile vechi or sa se gaseasca kit-uri ( ne-obligatorii ) pentru a implementa TPMS.
La un L2 e normal sa-ti pui echipament ce se instaleaza la una noua din fabrica, nu altceva. De ce sa faci improvizatii cind exista original de uzina, sa economisesti citiva maruntei ?
Sa-ti pui de-ala ieftin chinezesc cu baterii in valve ca sa ai probleme cu el ? Eu nu as pune decit original la o masina de 1 an de zile vechime cit ai tu.

[panselin4]

Baga si la mine un PM domnul t0rq.
Merci anticipat.

[stoicanu]

Eu sunt sigur ca sistemul exista doar ca trebuie activat.

[t0rquemada]

Pierdeti din vedere faptul ca, la o masina noua, echipata cu TPMS, nefunctionarea acestui sistem va duce la picarea ITP-ului.

[dadan]

Am o nelamurire legata de cotiera pentru un Stepway - e cumva diferita de cea de pe Logan? am sunat la Auto-europa in TM si mi-au spus ca are alta referinta cea pentru Stepway.... eu stiu ca e doar o versiune , comercializata si aici pe bursa...

[prazvan]

nu este cu nimic diferita. Eu am luat 2 cotiere din targ cu 40 RON (Autospeed). S-a potrivit pefect atat la Stepway-ul meu, cat si la Logan-ul parintilor mei.

[t0rquemada]

Cotiera e identica pentru X52

[dadan]

merci de info - cei de la auto europa mi-au spus ca e diferita si ca dureaza 10 zile pana o comanda de la uzina... nu prea imi inspira incredere - eu sunasem sa-mi fac o programare pentru montat cotiera , imi zice un pret aprox de 480 cu manopera dupa care ma transfera la cei de la piese sa vorbesc eu pentru piesa..., de acolo omul zice ca costa 280 (dar nu e cea de logan)...